LMAO…I know. Bullshit right?
Caroline: I keep having to remind myself of all the horrible things he’s done.
Stefan: See, that’s the thing. We’ve all done horrible things
Caroline: People who do terrible things are just terrible people.
Klaus: You look like you’re in need of comfort. Why don’t you find someone less terrible you can relate to.
Katherine: Yeah, I’ve done some pretty horrible things to survive.
Klaus: Tell me, how is it that she’s managed to overlook every horrific thing you’ve ever done?
Elena: I did some pretty terrible things.
Elena: You’ve been a terrible person.
LOL Precisely!!! You just stated in one perfectly summed up paragraph why something doesn’t smell quite right…
Oh I’m sure they’ll get some romantic scenes just like we did but I’m also thinking that their paradise will be short lived…
Yeah- I really liked how he called them intense :) Haha fuck the media. I expect it from them. They love death and destruction.
Agreed. The sire bond was manipulating. She was only being given the illusion of free will—not actual free will. And I acknowledge that Elena had some sort of feelings for Damon before turning but I’m also acknowledging that they probably wouldn’t have gotten as far as they did had it not been for Damon’s constant pursuance of her and some of the manipulating he did that helped him get there.
I actually do believe they can repair SE’s relationship, and I think it might be pretty great actually :)
Yeah, I don’t know how long Silas will be trying to pass himself off as Stefan but something tells me someone will notice sooner rather than later.
You take my breath away…
Hi. Look- I think perhaps you misinterpreted what I said….either that or I had a really poor way of trying to make my point. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that you’re a DE shipper. The thing is most SE fans tend to think alike and I’d say that most DE fans think alike too. That’s not to say that you don’t see things differently from time to time but I’d say all in all SE fans sort of just understand each other just like DE fans do, I’m sure. And so there seems to be a misunderstanding. Let me try and clear it up.
When I said that I didn’t give a rats ass about Elena’s feelings for Damon—I meant that in another context. I was trying to say that I didn’t care what feelings she had for him because the bottom line was that she made her choice and Damon didn’t respect that choice. If all of the things we saw Elena do and how much she changed were not the product of Damon’s control that’s fine- I’d have to accept it or bitch about it. BUT she wasn’t exactly given the opportunity to decide that for herself. A lot of Elena’s decisions and actions were dictated from that sire bond. And I’m not trying to get in a war about that—it’s just simply the truth. Elena couldn’t make her own decision about what kind of diet she wanted to be on. She had to feed on people, she had to kill Connor because she was told to…I mean, really that’s just the bottom line. I honestly wish that god forsaken sire bond had never existed because all it did was cloud the truth.
It isn’t really that I don’t respect Elena’s choice of choosing Damon. It’s more about the fact that I’m having trouble understanding why. Now, I know that as a DE shipper things are probably perfectly clear to you and no one needs to explain why she chose Damon. But me? I’m an SE shipper. I need someone to explain it to me. Call it lousy writing, or something else but to me it looks like the person who chose Damon was a product of the sire bond, and/or the things she did when her humanity was turned off. Lots of things should be brought into question here. She chose Stefan and made a pretty epic speech to him in 4x1. Where the hell did that go? Was it all just a lie? She was kidding herself? What? Is this what the writers are trying to sell me? What happened to Elena? I can understand that she changed, but….is this the person she’s permanently changed into? I understand that you ship DE—this isn’t about that. It doesn’t matter at this point who you ship. SE had a pretty profound bond and relationship (that wasn’t perfect, mind you) in the first two seasons. That pairing is actually supposed to be cast as the main couple of this series. That doesn’t mean DE is invisible or doesn’t hold its place—I’m just stating what’s supposed to be fact according to the writers/showrunners. To believe that Elena would simply cast Stefan aside so easily just blows my mind. Obviously there wouldn’t be a sire bond if there weren’t real feelings connected to it. However, that doesn’t mean that (nor is it entirely believable) that absolutely everything that happened during this time was 100% truthful. Yes, I know she chose Damon and the sire bond is broken. That doesn’t mean the affects of it are gone too. Elena was radically changed and I’m sorry but—-I’m still waiting for the punchline.
Yes, I said Damon ‘stole’ her. I could have chosen a more mature or technical way of making my point—sorry. But you can’t exactly deny the fact that Damon wasn’t willing to just let Elena and Stefan be happy. He tries—I’ll give him that. He juuuuuusssst can’t honor it for too long. Elena made her choice and she told this to Damon in 3x22….but what was it that gave Damon the motivation to keep fighting? Why, it was Elena’s words to him about meeting him first right along with the flashback of actually meeting her first. Damon could have been a dead man in two different ways. Either by Klaus ‘dying’ or by Alaric. This guy wasn’t going quietly into the night. He wasn’t giving up. He had no plans of giving up or he was going to die trying. What other reason could he possibly have? Now. You know I was going to bring it up :)……..the bathroom feeding fiasco. Damon wasn’t that interested in helping her. He knew what he was doing. He’s very opportunistic that way. He didn’t tell Elena what it meant nor did he care to. And he clearly got off on this. Then he rubbed it in Stefan’s face. Really? He was taunting them from the get go. If he was so sure everything was going to fall apart then why didn’t he just let it fall apart? No one can say that Damon wasn’t trying to weasle his way in. That’s exactly what he’s been doing since season 1. Damon doesn’t stop. Damon doesn’t get mad. He gets even. The point, my friend is that he just can’t let go. He tries to be selfless but can’t. He won’t stop until he gets what he wants. Gotta give the guy an ‘A’ at least for giving it 100%. Two thumbs up. He got what he wanted.
Contrary to your belief at the moment, I am actually very well aware that Elena is not property. I find myself in such a strange twilight zone right now because this all feels backwards lol. I’m usually the one telling people not to view Elena as an object. The thing is—that’s how most of us view the sire bond. Elena was an object to be moved around and molded. This girl’s initial choice and freewill were taken from her and really…that’s pretty gross. I was against the sire bond because she was being controlled by it. Controlled. That’s not okay. Although, I did have a DE shipper make a point to me that I had not actually thought of. The truth is, I was angry with Damon for not letting her go because he knew what she chose and it wasn’t him. He knew that she was being more or less controlled and you could see where he was being caught between what he wanted and what he knew he was supposed to do. Putting myself in Damon’s world—I get it. Hell- even Stefan did. He acknowledged how difficult it must be having to let Elena go…but then again, Stefan knows how hard it is because he’s done it. Anyway—my point was that the right thing to do would be to let her go. He knew that she wasn’t actually choosing any of this, but then again letting her go would also sort of be taking a choice away from her. The choice to have Damon in her life. I can only assume that telling her never to think of him again would basically be like stripping him from her life and…would that be something Elena would want? Tricky, tricky. I don’t know how all of that would have gone down because it was never accomplished but I was trying to throw a bone. I want Elena to have freewill and choices. I don’t see how that is gross or misogynistic. If they had Damon and Elena come together more organically then I wouldn’t have much to bitch about other than the fact that I was sad about it being that I’m an SE fan. But it wasn’t organic—it was forced. If Elena’s relationship with Stefan was simply going to run its course and all of this would have happened anyway then why didn’t the writers just let that happen? I think a lot of SE fans would have been a bit more accepting of the storyline and Elena’s choice. We wouldn’t have liked it but we would have at least been able to understand. Right now we’re supposed to believe that everything she felt was real and she’s never been more in love. Except the natural execution to showing it sucked. Big time. In the finale, Elena never even acted as though there were a choice to make. Her only scenes with Stefan were freaking out over Damon dying and a simple thank you for never giving up on her (okay and she gave him the cure). Okay? Again——what happened to ‘I picked you because I love you and no matter what happens it’s the best choice I ever made?’ Lousy writing? Who knows? I’m not trying to steal your buzz over Elena choosing Damon—I just don’t understand the means to getting it there. It’s still vague to me. She never tells Damon she loved him as a human. And if she did then why not just have her freaking admit to it??!! Why does she merely say she ‘thinks’ she’s falling in love with him while she’s sired? No, no, no, no, no. The writers can’t do any better than that? Ugh. Well I gotta stop there because I could just keep going, but hopefully I’m at least making some sense where it concerns my point of view on this (I’m probably speaking for a lot of SE shippers too)….
You know- I can’t say that Stefan was always truthful with Elena about his past. I know this. I probably shouldn’t get too much into it because it would just end up sounding like a lot of excuses to you anyhow—I know. I get it. But….to say that Damon hasn’t manipulated Elena on multiple occasions is false, in my opinion. With that being said—neither Salvatore is perfect.
Gosh- I know this was long but I hope I cleared some things up.
In truth, I don’t think anyone will really know just what goes on behind the scenes. I know that writers change things all the time—it’s just how it goes. However, that doesn’t mean they aren’t focusing on a particular end result but having trouble deciding on which direction to take that will lead it there. People make jokes and some of what they say is right on but not all of it. Personally, I have an attachment to the show and I also like figuring out people puzzles. I enjoy trying to find the answers—- and speaking of answers—-those will differ too depending on who you talk to and how they perceive things. Some think it was shock value. Others knew it would happen because it was too predictable. Wow. Shock vs. predictability. They certainly don’t belong in the same name group. It could be any number of those things and I can’t completely say that one is definitely the answer over another. If I were to make a theory about Damon being chosen it’s that it could have been a very deliberate move. Everything in the show has pointed out how Damon just won’t give up. He got her to a place where she definitely had feelings for him and enough feelings that she felt she had to choose between them. Yet, she makes her choice and he still refuses to accept it. Damon won’t stop until he gets what he wants. He wanted Elena? Well he got her. But from what means? She wasn’t really choosing to be with him in my opinion. I don’t care what feelings she had or what part of her yearned to be with him—don’t care! If they wanted to put them together then by all means- do it. But do it organically. Do it by making it believable. Seriously. ALL credibility went out the window when they had Elena clearly make a choice which was Stefan but then they had to make her a vampire, have her be sired, humanity off, humanity on, and then completely this changed person because of all of it. There was talking during their love scenes, the first ‘I love you’ was while sired, Damon couldn’t fight compulsion for her, he didn’t want to grow old with her and be human—-I mean it’s really pretty pathetic how these two came together. It’s like absolutely everything had to unravel for it to really happen and I use ‘really happen’ loosely because—-well….sire bond. In a way you could say that what happened and who Elena chose was exactly what was supposed to happen for Damon. He ‘got the girl’ like he always wanted—now let’s see what happens. I don’t see a perfect fairy tale ending for Damon just like Klaus said. I’m inclined to think that what everyone said was right. It’s just that we were all assuming that Elena would be ‘herself’ again after turning her humanity back on—-well maybe and maybe not. I think it would be a fitting for Damon to ‘win’ only to lose in the end because he didn’t really deserve it in the first place. He fucking stole Elena from Stefan and I don’t care who wants to argue with me about that. He did. He got what he wanted. He got the girl and Stefan is living and dying the eternal misery that Damon wished upon him so many years ago. Yeah- Damon doesn’t get to win here. I think that he thinks he did, but it was a hollow ‘victory.’ And yeah, yeah, yeah what about Elena’s feelings for Damon? I couldn’t give a rats ass right now because I think she’ll always love Stefan more.
I was surfing on tumblr when I found this question :
Why do you dislike DE? I’m a DE fan and I absolutely couldn’t imagine shipping anything else. I’m not trying to be rude, I’m just curious.
And the amazing, perfect, awesome answer :
Because to make Delena happen, they completely…
LOL- it wouldn’t shock me. I think it’d be cool if Silas says some really snarky stuff that Stefan won’t say. I want to see some fucking guilt—-where has it been? LOL JP said Elena would be feeling guilt for hurting Stefan—pfft—really, JP? I never saw it to be honest. It’s mean to say this but I just want someone to make Damon and Elena feel really bad—-And I’m not trying to hate on Elena because I know she went through hell and it’s obvious that something is weird with her but….I just have this need to want to watch them crash and burn.
Well I don’t know the answer to that one but I do know that it only takes one to say something incredibly stupid.